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Offline Chippy_Tea

They should refuse to pay.


Fifa has fined all four home nations for displaying poppies during World Cup qualifiers around Armistice Day.

England and Scotland players wore armbands featuring the symbol when they met at Wembley on 11 November.

Wales and Northern Ireland's respective games featured displays on the pitch or in the stands to mark the event.

England's Football Association will appeal against the fine of 45,000 Swiss francs (35,311), with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland yet to decide.

Scotland and Wales were both fined 20,000 Sfr (15,694), and Northern Ireland 15,000 Sfr (11,770).

Fifa disciplinary committee chairman Claudio Sulser said he "fully respected" the commemorations but stressed the rules "need to be applied to all member associations".

"The display, among others, of any political or religious symbol is strictly prohibited," he added.

"In the stadium and on the pitch, there is only room for sport, nothing else."

Sports Minister Tracey Crouch described Fifa's decision as "disappointing".

Why have the countries been punished?

According to the rule-making International Football Association Board (IFAB), players cannot wear "political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images".

But both England and Scotland players wore armbands featuring the poppy symbol during England's 3-0 win.

There was also a display of poppies on big screens, a minute's silence, playing of the Last Post and poppy T-shirts handed to the crowd.

Following Wales' 1-1 draw at home to Serbia the next day, Fifa opened disciplinary proceedings looking at "fans in the stands wearing the poppy" and the presence of "a member of the armed forces holding a bunch of poppies at the exit of the tunnel", according to the Football Association of Wales (FAW).

The holding of a minute's silence, the laying of a wreath and a poppy display by fans before Northern Ireland's 4-0 win over Azerbaijan on 11 November have led to the punishment of the Irish FA.

Fifa has also punished the Republic of Ireland with a 5,000 Sfr fine (3,930) after its players wore shirts commemorating the centenary of the Easter Rising earlier this year.

How have the home nations responded?

An FA spokesperson said: "We note the decision by the Fifa disciplinary committee, which we intend to appeal. As a first step, we have written today to Fifa requesting the grounds for the decision."

Scottish FA (SFA) chief executive Stewart Regan says it is "clearly disappointing" that Fifa has ruled the poppy is a political symbol.

The SFA board will discuss the issue on Tuesday to decide on any appeal and will request the full reasons from the governing body.

It also plans to discuss the issue with the FA, FAW and Irish FA in the coming days.

The Irish FA said it was "disappointed", adding it "will take further legal advice before deciding on a future course of action".

The FAW has yet to respond.

Sports Minister Crouch said: "It is disappointing that Fifa has not recognised the sentiment of the poppy, which is not a political symbol.

"Poppies are a poignant tribute to the bravery and sacrifice of our servicemen and women, and footballers and fans alike should be able to wear them with pride."

Shadow sports minister Dr Rosena Allin-Khan MP described Fifa's decision as "utterly disrespectful".

How did we get here?

In 2011, Fifa agreed that the England, Scotland and Wales teams could wear poppies on black armbands during November internationals.

England wore them during their 1-0 friendly win over Spain at Wembley, Scotland did so in a match against Cyprus and Wales wore them against Norway.

However, this year, under new president Gianni Infantino, Fifa indicated they could punish teams for breaking the rule before the November matches.

That led to UK Prime Minister Theresa May calling Fifa's stance "outrageous"," adding that it would be "absolutely right" for players to wear poppies.

A points deduction was also a possible punishment open to Fifa.

Analysis

Chief football writer Phil McNulty

The fines imposed by Fifa on the four home nations for displaying poppies during World Cup qualifiers around Armistice Day will have been expected but still a serious disappointment.

They will regard Fifa's treatment of the matter as heavy-handed - although Fifa will also believe it is sticking firmly to a clear letter of the law. The respective FAs will also feel the fines, no matter how frustrating, are a price worth paying for what was regarded as a matter of principle and a tribute that had to be paid.

BBC News.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2016, 05:41:26 PM by Chippy_Tea »

Offline skipper

Re: Fifa fines England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland over poppies
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 08:47:50 AM »
Let's hope they all tell FIFA to stick it up their arse!

Offline Moon

Re: Fifa fines England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland over poppies
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 11:48:19 AM »
Give fine money to poppy appeal and tell FIFA to sort itself out first

Offline Cardiff Blue

Re: Fifa fines England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland over poppies
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 02:32:12 PM »
Did the Republic Of Ireland ever get fined for their Easter Rebellion motifs on their shirts v Switzerland earlier this year?

I have also previously seen pictures of the Argentinian team with banners claiming the Falklands are Argentinian - has FIFA ever clamped down/fined the AFA, or is this a recent FIFA doctrine?

By the way I am all for FIFA banning political messages etc.  However in my opinion the Poppy Remembrance Day cannot be deemed political in any way shape or form (although I realise some do mis-interpret it for patriotic reasons). It is purely an act of remembrance in much the same way as the minutes silence for the victims of the French atrocities earlier this year and last November, or the minutes silence we had for Princess Diana all those years ago.

Also as part of their sanction process FIFA also had the temerity to blame the FAW for the crowd wearing poppies at the Wales v Serbia game which is absolutely scandalous.

All 4 home nations should refuse to pay the fines, donate the money to the British Legion, and if they each get docked points, then so what? Nobody wants to go to Russia for the next World Cup anyway.

Offline ob

Re: Fifa fines England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland over poppies
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 05:34:55 PM »
Not at time they didn't mate but think it was looked into along with the above

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